Posts by Bungi Bill

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JW apologetics websites.

by Steel in

lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

really interesting stuff.

i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

Bungi Bill

B. When you were in , did you think or ever think you understood the bamboozle.

There actually was a time when I reckoned that I did fully understand the whole piece about the trinity:

- but that was when I had only heard the WTS's version of things.

At that stage, I had read everything I could get my hands on that the WTS had written about this matter (heavily laced, as it was, with selected quotations from Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons). Little did I then realise that the concept of the trinity was something fiercely disputed over a period of several centuries during the early Christian era - and definitely not something to be fully comprehended from an eight second TV sound bite (or similar)!

These days, I identify with the sentiment expressed by Steve2

I personally could give a tinker's cuss whether the God of the Bible is one, two or three in one.

Bloody good one!

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In the yearbooks, why 'lands' not 'countries'?

by LoveUniHateExams in

why does watchtower say that the 'world-wide preaching work' occurs in x amount of lands, not countries?

well, i have a theory.

hear me out.

Bungi Bill

LUHE

- by Crikey, you may just have a point there, too!

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

Bungi Bill

The need is more for surgical precision, rather than a "Kick the Saloon Door Down and Let Drive with the Six Guns" approach is all I was trying to say!

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

Bungi Bill

The more we bomb them the more we will create martyrs and Angry Young Men.

This was certainly what happened in South Vietnam; each air raid that caused "Collateral Damage" only created more ready recruits for the Viet Cong. Before that, the French encountered a similar situation in Algeria.

Who was it that said "Those who forget the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them"?

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Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

by kpop in

so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

Bungi Bill

Actually, The Crusades were launched in response to an appeal for help by the (Christian) Byzantine Emperor. He was facing encroachment by the Seljuk Turks into his eastern territories (modern day Turkey). Unable to contain the threat entirely on his own, the emperor appealed for help from Western Europe. The First Crusade was raised in direct response to that call.

However, the crusaders showed little inclination to deal with the Seljuk Turks. Instead, they marched on from Constantinople (modern day Istanbul), intent on carving out empires for themselves in the Near East. Rather than helping their fellow Christians in Constantinople, a later crusade even sacked that city, delivering to the Byzantine Empire a blow from which it never recovered.

Crusader rule in the Near East was even more heavy-handed than that of the Muslim (Arab) rulers they supplanted. This was especially true of their treatment of the local Christian communities, which were quite significant in number. Brutality on the part of The Crusaders was only exceeded by that of the Mongols, who invaded the Near East several centuries later. These Mongol armies themselves contained a number of Christians, mainly from the Nestorian branch of Christianity.

Of course, excesses on the part of "Christian" Crusaders and others in no way excuse acts of terrorism, such as we have just witnessed in Westminster.

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So according to the bible, "believing" is enough to have everlasting life.

by NikL in

i am certain this has been brought up many times before.

according to john 6.... 44 no man can come to me unless the father, who sent me, draws him,+ and i will resurrect him on the last day.+ 45 it is written in the prophets: ‘they will all be taught by jehovah.+ everyone who has listened to the father and has learned comes to me.

46 not that any man has seen the father,+ except the one who is from god; this one has seen the father.+ 47 most truly i say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life.+.

Bungi Bill

Particularly back in the days when the WTS set very definite standards for what contituted a "Regular Publisher", we were all led to believe that unless one "reported" each month :

- 10 hours of Field Service,

- the "placement" 12 magazines,

- a certain minimum of "back calls"

- and the conducting of at least one Bible Study

.... then we could safey assume we were all done for.

They certainly read much into the expression "Believe in Jesus Christ"!

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Pretend to support Critical Thinking, but forbid it when directed toward the "leadership"

by doubtfull1799 in

this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.

"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.

because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .

Bungi Bill

In other words "Think for Yourself - just make sure the conclusions you reach are the same as ours".

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Pretend to honour principles, but make laws instead!

by doubtfull1799 in

this from the latest watchtower question from readers:.

"how a christian chooses to protect him- self, his family, or his possessions is, of course, largely a personal matter, as is his choice of employment.

that said, bible principles reflect god’s wisdom and his love for us.

Bungi Bill

Talk about another Tulmud!

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A major misadventure!

by Bungi Bill in

jw
friends

hi, everyone.. i haven't posted here much in quite a while, but having just been laid low by injury, i'll likely be a frequent visitor for some time to come!.

two weeks ago, i was involved in a workplace accident that left me with my lower l.h.

leg fractured in three places (the tibia and fibular both broken clean through, plus another crack in the "neck" of the fibular for good measure!

Bungi Bill

Great Teacher - with the number of naturally occurring hot springs in this district, that might be a real possibility!

Otherwise, I started working again today, on a part time basis, and limited strictly to office work. So far so good!

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Are there any members here from Tasmania??

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

just curious if there are any members from tasmania, australia?.

keep yourself annonymous if you wish, but im just curious.. pm me if you prefer.. .

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Bungi Bill

No longer live in Tassie! Still have a house in Longford (20 km out of Launceston). However, employment issues have seen me now resident on the other side of the Tasman Sea.